Sound Deadener / Deadening / Sound Proofing Thread

Discussion on body issues/mods, appearance, interior/trim, and detailing (i.e. how to keep your car looking showroom new, or a reasonable facsimile thereof...).
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Sound Deadener / Deadening / Sound Proofing Thread

Post by smwalker » Mon May 23, 2016 6:04 am

Changed the title on this thread to be a more general discussion of sound deadening topics for the Caprice


Just wanted to share with you guys I sent some measurements over to Sound Deadener Showdown and he put together a package for our Caprices. NOT CHEAP!! but I plan to give it a shot later this year with a complete detailing of the install of course.

If anyone want to go first please do! :D

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Here's what I expect you to need -

Front Doors (each):
4.5 CLD Tiles™, outer skin
2 CLD Tiles™, probably cut into smaller pieces, inner skin
1 CLD Tile™, probably cut into smaller pieces, trim panel
Extruded Butyl Rope
5.6 ft² MLV
7.5 ft² 1/8" CCF
2.5 Velcro Strips, adhesive 2 sides

Rear Doors (each):
4 CLD Tiles™, outer skin
1.5 CLD Tiles™, probably cut into smaller pieces, inner skin
1 CLD Tile™, probably cut into smaller pieces, trim panel
Extruded Butyl Rope
6.1 ft² MLV
7.5 ft² 1/8" CCF
2.5 Velcro Strips, adhesive 2 sides

Kick Panels (each):
.5 CLD Tiles™
1 ft² MLV
1 ft² 1/8" CCF
1 Velcro Strips, adhesive 2 sides

Floor:
12 CLD Tiles™
39.5 ft² MLV
54 ft² 1/8" CCF (extra is to double up in the foot wells)
4 Velcro Strips, adhesive 2 sides

Back Seat Platform / Riser:
4 CLD Tiles™
11.7 ft² MLV
11.7 ft² 1/8" CCF
3 Velcro Strips, adhesive 2 sides

Roof:
12 CLD Tiles™
21 ft² 3/4" Hydrophobic Melamine Foam

Rear Deck:
5 CLD Tiles™
8.7 ft² 1/8" CCF

C-Pillars (each):
1.5 CLD Tiles™
2.4 ft² 3/4" Hydrophobic Melamine Foam

* Be very careful if there are airbags in the C-Pillars. The safest
course in that case is to do nothing.

Trunk Floor / Spare Tire Well:
6 CLD Tiles™, horizontal surfaces
5 CLD Tiles™, sides of spare well
26.4 ft² MLV
26.4 ft² 1/8" CCF
4 Velcro Strips, adhesive 2 sides

Trunk Lid:
6 CLD Tiles™

Quarter Panels (each):
4.5 CLD Tiles™
8.2 ft² MLV
8.2 ft² 1/8" CCF
3.5 Velcro Strips, adhesive 2 sides

Trunk Back Wall:
1 CLD Tiles™
1.7 ft² MLV
1.7 ft² 1/8" CCF
2 Velcro Strips, adhesive 2 sides

Totals:
91 CLD Tiles™
1 roll Extruded Butyl Rope
121.1 ft² MLV
150.9 ft² 1/8" CCF
25.8 ft² 3/4" Hydrophobic Melamine Foam
32 Velcro Strips, adhesive 2 sides
1 32 oz can HH-66 Vinyl Contact Cement

* I really like filling the voids in the rear quarter panels with 1.5"
Hydrophobic Melamine Foam but it's very hard to calculate how much you'd
need without looking in the space. I haven't included any for that space.

As an Order:
91 CLD Tiles™ @ 2.25 = $204.75
1 roll Extruded Butyl Rope @ 9.75 = 9.75
30 linear ft MLV @ 9.78 = 293.40
12 sheets 1/8" CCF @ 15.55 = 186.60
7 pieces ft² 3/4" Hydrophobic Melamine Foam @ 19.00 = 133.00
32 Velcro Strips, adhesive 2 sides @ 1.47 = 47.04
1 32 oz can HH-66 Vinyl Contact Cement @ 16.50 = 16.50

Sub Total: $891.04
Shipping for MLV: 105.58
Shipping for Balance: 118.79
Total: $1115.41

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Thank you.


On 5/17/2016 5:33 PM, Steve Walker wrote:
Measurements for:

USA Market - 2011-2017 Caprice PPV

AUS Market - 2007-2017 Statesman WM,WN 2007-2017 Caprice WM,WN

On the US models designed for police use they came very stripped down with no
sound dampening to speak of. Floor options were either vinyl or carpet both
with jute felt underlayment. Sunroofs were not an available option in the US,
Spare tire wells are a plastic insert into the trunk floor.

1) Height and width of front door exterior sheet metal. - 27x43
(all measurements in inches)

2) Height and width of front door interior trim panel. - 23x35

3) Height and width of rear door exterior sheet metal. - 28x42

4) Height and width of rear door interior trim panel. - 25x35

5) Height and width of the kick panel/front foot well outer sides. - 13x11

6) Width of the floor (include the sides and top of the center tunnel and the
height of each outer sill). - 72

7) Distance from as far up the firewall as you can reach to the front edge of
the front seats. - 36

8) Distance from the front edge of the front seats to the front of the base of
the platform for the back seat.- 43

9) Height and width of the vertical riser running from the floor to the platform
the back seat sits on. - 9

10) Length and width of the back seat platform. - 22x54

11) Length and width of the roof. - 58x52

12) Length and width of the sun roof (if any). - Not an option in USA

13) length and width of the rear deck. - 24x52

14) Height and width of the C-Pillars - 14x24

15) Length and width of the trunk floor. - 48x48

16) Depth and diameter (depth, length and width, if not circular) of spare tire
well. - 12x30x33

17) Length and width of the trunk lid. - 33x44

18) Height and width of the rear quarter panels (measured from inside the
trunk). - 24x43

19) Depth and width of trunk back wall (above the bumper). - 5x48
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Re: Sound Deadener Showdown Package Details

Post by Navy Lifer » Mon May 23, 2016 1:37 pm

I wonder (not that it's a real concern) how much all of that weighs, and what the flammability characteristics are. And with some of the products used being expandable void fillers, how might that impact body repair, whether regular methods or PDR....not to discredit the effort, but to try to look beyond the good intentions for potential downsides.

I can certainly vouch for the effectiveness of dampening material on the roof and rear deck & trunk lid....doors would be my next focus if continuing the effort--it's been 3 years since that was done.

That said, for now it just gets driven.

Steve, check your PM's!

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Re: Sound Deadener Showdown Package Details

Post by smwalker » Mon May 23, 2016 4:25 pm

Yea not for the racers in the crowd. Thought I read somewhere a fully done car would add about 130 Lbs. of material. He has some videos of the fire tests, he has only chosen stuff that performs very well in that regard and also all his foam is treated to be hydrophobic and repel water. Only thing permanently stuck to the body is the CDL tiles and those are similar to factory pieces (the few that we have).

Not seeing any PM's for me?? You send one?
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Re: Sound Deadener Showdown Package Details

Post by leadfart » Mon May 23, 2016 7:56 pm

That kind of money only goes into speed parts for me! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Sound Deadener Showdown Package Details

Post by l77 » Mon May 23, 2016 10:23 pm

Peel&seal from Lowes FTW!

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Re: Sound Deadener Showdown Package Details

Post by xcidmigs » Mon May 23, 2016 11:04 pm

There is better choices that fall in between the 2 of these options and also there is the "lizard skin" type of liquid dampeners which is probably the best way to do it DIY if you are serious. I'm sure you car will sound great if you actually have installed all that and done it correctly. I know the effort i put into doing the doors and rear deck did make a difference but it was a huge amount of work and I know there was compromises made due to fitting the material and other issues like cutting wrong. That said I'm still thinking continuing on into the floor area using the roll in stuff like I've done in jeeps.
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Re: Sound Deadener Showdown Package Details

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Re: Sound Deadener Showdown Package Details

Post by xcidmigs » Wed May 25, 2016 5:11 pm

really good how to with pictures, regardless of the material you choose.

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Re: Sound Deadener Showdown Package Details

Post by smwalker » Wed May 25, 2016 5:56 pm

xcidmigs wrote:really good how to with pictures, regardless of the material you choose.

http://www.raamaudio.com/pages/How%252dTo.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And thats the difference between the two schools of thought on doing doors. they seal the whole thing up so getting to your internal parts if they fail will be a mess. Not a big deal if you are going to do it yourself but take it to a shop and they add 2 hours labor just to get to the parts. SDS approach is hanging the material with velcro so you just remove the blanket of deadener when needed.
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Re: Sound Deadener Showdown Package Details

Post by smwalker » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:59 am

It has begun:

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I think the roof is going to benefit the most from it, there is nothing up there from the factory.

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But each of the doors got one big ol piece of deadner on the inside:

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