engine won't crank

[Sanford]

OK, had to go take a look. It has been a while since I have pulled a relay out on one of these things. It is just a 4 pin relay that does not matter how you plug it in. Pins 30 & 87 are your controlled circuit. The fuse box terminal that should be hot all of the time is on the top left, looking towards the fire wall. Jumper to the bottom right terminal and the engine should crank. Jumping it like that is the next best thing to crawling under the car. The terminals to jumper have a tin color to them. The other two are copper/brass colored.

[amx1pxp]

All correct. I'm definitely looking at the socket, not the relay. Top left is the hot terminal, but one of the diagrams has that terminal as #30, the other #87. Convinced now that the diagram #87 hot is bassackwards. Has to be.

Going to jumper 30 and 87 and will report back...

[BluesBro]

I see re-manufactured AcDelco "Gold" unit made by Mitsubishi. Did that thing come with the solenoid attached? Did you replace the whole assembly together, or just the starter?

I went with new, was a little cheaper last year less than 100$ shipped, but even now its cheaper than most reman units.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.ph ... 29GJMuSJnn

[amx1pxp]

Came with the solenoid?

[Sanford]

The new GM ones comes with a solenoid. Decades ago you could buy a reman direct drive starter without a solenoid. Never have seen a gear reduction starter from anyone that did not come without a solenoid.

[amx1pxp]

Thanks!!